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Gun or No Gun
4/22/2008 12:25 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

You may have a love or hatred of Guns but if you read on perhaps you may change your mind...perhaps not.
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via reasoning or debate, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. I am only making a point on hand guns as I am well aware their are other weapons that can that can remove force from the menu.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. I have the ability to resist your force.
The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. You may not like guns but you cannot deny that in the hands of a trained individual it does even the playing field.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. There is also a measure of control to the would be attacker because he/she knows that they may pay for their act of force with their life.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone from those who would want to cause me personal harm through force. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded ande reasoned with. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act. what are your thoughts on guns?
This is my one provision. The right to possess arms in the US is a constitutional right. I support it. I do think that you should have training and a liscense to prove responsible gun ownership. We need one to drive a car so we should certainly have one to weild a weapon.

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Re: Gun or No Gun
4/28/2008 3:09 PM
angel, 55
Gloucestershire
United Kingdom

I am horrified....You mean you actually walk around with a gun on your person? Are you not scared of having to use the dam thing?
it must be terrible to be so scared of other people. I can only imagine it. What if you had to shoot somebody, wouldnt you be scared to think you might kill them? Is everyone in America a potential mugger, rapist and murderer?
We have very strict licensing laws in the UK. I only know one person that owns a gun and he uses it for pheasant shooting.
I dare say that you can get them on the black market and the Uk has probably had its share of crimes involving guns.But I certainly dont think teaching innocent children to shoot guns and arming the population is the answer! Why else do we have policemen?
love light and angel blessings
Angel+

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4/28/2008 7:16 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

First let me apologize Angel this was an article and i posted it. I should of been more clear with that. It was meant to be thought provoking. Deadly force is always horrifying and I share your sentiments.
Take a deep breath Angel.....ok you may want to reread the article. :>)
My stance: In regards to some of your statements
I am not afraid of guns or their use in skilled hands for protection and for hunting.I feel you should be strictly monitored and licensed. For the record i do not carry one on my person as I decided long ago that it was not necessary and assumed the limited risk of where I lived associated and being unarmed.
No not everyone in the US. is a mugger or a rapist.
Pheasant hunting is good only if you eat what you kill.
We have a black market in the states as well and thats where most of your criminals get their weapons.
Teaching "innocent" children how to respect and properly handle a firearm is responsible behavior. Not teaching them isn't. Before my son could own his first paintball gun he had to be able to recite the gun manual frontwards and backwards. Any weapon be it for sport or defense should be approached with respect and proper eductation.

Having a gun does not mean you are afraid of people it just means that you are not going to be forced by anyone who may have ill intent. Regular interactions during the course of the day would never involve a gun.
I will leave you with this thought
Imagine a woman alone in a parking lot after dark. A man approaches and she can see he has a knife/gun/pipe etc if she reaches in her purse and pulls out a pistol and shoots him dead does that make her a horrible person?
Consider the alternative. She is raped, robbed and has her throat slit. Yes, I realize that is terrible but it can happen and to deny it doesnt make it any less real.
In the United States
Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape.
Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized.
Now this is supportive of elimination of gums check this stat.
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=38716
Nationwide, more women are murdered with firearms (54 percent) than with any other type of weapon. Knives account for 19 percent of all female murders, bodily force 15 percent, and murder by blunt object 7 percent. Of the women murdered with firearms, 73 percent were killed with handguns.74
The real problem is guns have been introduced into society. To take them away is virtually impossible as to out law them would mean that all the law abiding citizens give up their weapons and then the only people left with guns are criminals. Its a hard proposition. I just thought the story to be thought provoking and difficult. I respect your thoughts on guns Angel. A gun in the hands of an evil person is a terrible thing.

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Re: Gun or No Gun
5/1/2008 3:55 AM
ღ我愛黑, 102Royal Zorpian
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories
Canada

It is a problem that the American decides.
There is no gun needing because my country's public peace is good.
However, I think that the gun is necessary if I live in the United States.

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5/1/2008 1:06 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

You are from Antartica? Wow
I can see your point I read this article on top 10 most dangerous places on Earth Antarctica was listed here is a snippet of the article
http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/antarctica-summer-400-

While murder, rape and robbery may not be a big problem in this part of the world, the hostile conditions are. Antarctica is home to some extreme weather conditions, with the mercury regularly dropping below -60 degrees Celsius (-100F) and winds tearing in at more than 100km/hr. If exposed to this weather for more than an hour, you will most certainly die. Antarctica has no hospitals, no food to forage and if you get lost, not a lot of hope. Stay with the tour groups. At least there is a McDonald’s at Scott Base if you manage to find it.

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Re: Gun or No Gun
5/3/2008 4:26 AM
Fleur Ionne, 31
Kentucky
United States

I favor "with gun". I am a short woman and easily can be taken advantage of. I have a rifle, pistol, and a hunting knife. I know how to use all of them. After watching all the tragic news on TV, I couldn't help and wonder what if I will be on that situation. Fortunately, I live in a very safe neighborhood, a cop car cruises by a few times a day around here, neighbors are quite nice and friendly. No need to carry arms at all times. I put them on safe and locked. I live in a small town. My friends from the city warned me for leaving my door open often or answering the door without knowing who it is behind there. We still are living the country life, I don't see threats in my town. But... you'll never know. I also consider the invasion situation... I would strongly suggest that every household should have arms to protect the family and the country. And each member of the household should be taught how to defend themselves. Kids should be taught when they are old enough to understand and respect the rules of guns. I do think that the use of gun should only be necessary if you're attacker has a gun. Nils is right. Guns don't kill people...People kill people..

If I have Jet Li's fighting skills, I wouldn't need guns or any deadly weapons to protect myself and the people I love. Have a nice day.

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Re: Re: Gun or No Gun
5/5/2008 1:36 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Well said...again a gun in the hands of an educated, trained individual who is licensed is only a deterient...it is of no danger to anyone other than someone looking for trouble.

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Re: Gun or No Gun
5/6/2008 7:30 PM
Alex, 17
Toronto, Ontario
Canada

oh man... i got through most of the first paragraph but this is a pro gun convorsation?

some people fancy themselves good shots, would love to fight up against you, there's always the sociopaths who arn't even capible of fear. lulz, in your society a sociopath is free to pick up a gun.

no.. i don't care if guns make you feel more comfortable, more masculine, and safer. they're dangerious and should be abolished.

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5/7/2008 3:43 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Oh no not at all this is a discussion about both sides. The article is Progun but you are certainly entitled to your thoughts. I am debating from the Pro side but I do believe we would all be better off without them. My main concern is that if criminals carry and we dont then we simply open ourselves up to their force. Anything that can take life is scary and deserves attention. Guns are certainly a volatile issue.

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5/8/2008 4:08 PM
Alex, 17
Toronto, Ontario
Canada

well said. =)

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5/8/2008 4:27 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Again thanks for your input Alex glad to see you in the forums..hey if you have anything on your mind put it out here..ok ...take care

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Re: Gun or No Gun
4/22/2008 12:48 PM
zvezdana_kuc, 28
Croatia

FORCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER!!!
IT'S NEVER A GOOD THING TO FORCE SOMEBODOY TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST HIS OWN WILL..THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT GUNS OR FORCE..

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4/22/2008 1:31 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

So are you saying Americans do not possess or use reason Zvezdana?
The nature of the comparison is that if you do not have the menas to protect yourself you can be forced.
With regards to your thoughts on Americans and guns I can only say that you are very wrong in my humble opinion. While you focus possibly on Iraq and conflict you apparently overlook humanitarian efforts By AMERICANS around the world. Who responds with Millions in aid from private donations as well as thousands of disastor relief workers when natural disastors occur around the world. Tsunami's, Earth Quakes, Hurricanes....etc....ever hear of the American Red cross and even the United States Government. They are the ones who come and assist. Our government and country contributes more than any other nation to those in need. Who came to Americas side when we experienced the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. I dont think I remember Croatians offering to lend a hand. Now seriously who is more giving in time of need? I don't remember Americans showing up with guns during these times. I do remember seeing them showing up with food, fresh water, blankets, clothing, tents, money, bulldozers, engineers, workers etc etc...no guns though. I realize that you may not like Americas Government or George Bush's position on terrorism or how we decided to deal with Irag. That is certainly your right but please consider that your comments regarding Americans are biased to the point of being false and unjust.

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4/22/2008 5:08 PM
zvezdana_kuc, 28
Croatia

that maybe true,but they are teaching their kids to wear guns in schools(remeber Columbia highschool),and to shoot at innocent people just because they think different than themselves...Why do you think kids these day take guns out from their parents house to show up with them in school..
And why there is still that big problem in America called hatred.Yes,America did help with Tsunami , and Earth quakes,Hurricanes and all other nature dissasters,but the people still need to work out on their behaviour in regarding their strong oppinions about KKK.(you know to whom im reffering too)and their strogn believes that African americans or any other nation's shouldn't be living in their beloved country!!
Now, im no rasist,and i cherrish and respect other's people's believes regarding their skin color or religion..
War in my country that occured in 1991 was a result if politicians and their haterid towards others nations.That's my oppinion!!!

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4/23/2008 3:30 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Hi Zvezdana. While I understand what you are saying about guns in schools, I need to point out that it is not only an American problem. Here in Canada, much has been done to control gun ownership. We even had a gun registry for a few years - a really stupid idea. (Did they think that criminals were going to register their guns?) Guns are not as common here as they are in the US, especially hand guns, but we still have had the occassional school violence. In other countries around the world we have kids making bomb, strapping them to themselves in an attempt to kill people. I don't think that the true problem is guns or bombs. I think the problem is lack of respect and appreciation for human life. We need to reach kids everywhere with the message that life is a precious gift and that we must all do everything we can to preserve it.

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4/23/2008 12:31 PM
zvezdana_kuc, 28
Croatia

YES!!!!THAT'S WHAT IM BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN ALL ALONG!!!!THANK'S DAWN

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4/24/2008 1:14 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Smile. You are welcome, Zvezdana :)

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4/24/2008 11:39 AM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Hmmm I guess I can't read i could of sworn she said Americans only know how to use guns and force..thanks for clarifying that for me Dawn.

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4/24/2008 12:23 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

She may have, but that wouldn't be true would it? Smile Good morning, KS. I'm off to the dentist :( lol

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4/23/2008 3:17 PM
Clinic, 33
Eating Yummy Food with Lisa in UK
Hong Kong

yupyup, agree!

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4/23/2008 7:15 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

OK i will just answer as quickly as I can.
1. No one is teaching their children to wear guns to school.
2. I think guns end up in irresponsible childrens hands because their parents arent parenting and thats everywhere not just in America.
3. The KKK is a small group of disturbed white supremists and they are hardly a blip on the radar anymore. Black Americans flourish in American culture. I dont know what propoganda you are watching but try another channel or another news source. I am not saying discrimination doesnt exist I am saying it is not as ramapant as you imply. Racism is more evident in forieghn islamic countries than it is in America. In america a black man can walk down the street and feel confident he wont be shot or have his head cut off. this is not true in Iraq or Afghanistan where a white man is very likely to be shot / tortured / hung / or beheaded. Just because he is white and supposedly American. the problem with being American is that people around the worl want to associate it with being white. Truth be told America is a melting pot of many skin colors and cultures and always has been.
4. War sucks and should be avoided at all cost. It never decides a winner just who is left.

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Re: Gun or No Gun
4/22/2008 7:23 PM
kimmie, 25Verified Zorpian
Cary, North Carolina
United States

i personally think that guns aren't a way to solve anything in this world of ours. but we as humans don't think that way. i mean look at the war, we are using guns and force so americans can have oil.
kids are killing kids with guns because they play these games that are so violent that that's all they know as real. people don't comprehend that that's what it is, fantasy violence. most people think that the fantasy violence is real, they can't differentiate realism from fantasy. i blame that on the media and how they perceive things.
then you have those who are brought up in it. the kids who grew up in the streets because their parents refuse to raise them. they know nothing about addition and subtraction, division and multiplication, but they know about the streets, guns, how to shoot them and everything like that. i personally think that we need to look at the parents with this situation and say "so, what have you taught your child today?" you'd be surprised by the answer they say.
so i don't agree with the guns, the unnecessary violence going on in this world. i believe in a moral upbringing, mother and father TOGETHER, teaching their son/daughter how to be a human and not some "statistic". i'm saddened by what i see just in my everyday life, kids barely know how to add, but they know how to shoot an ak47 like a pro. they are so concerned with what gang they are going to be in. they need to be in an academic mentality all the time. the world doesn't need a "gang banger", the world needs doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, good honest people.
i pray for that everyday, GOD will answer our prayers!!!!

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4/22/2008 7:42 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

First let me say thank you for your comments. I think much of what you said will be echoed by many. But we return to the premise which is if you cant defend yourself then you are open to whatever force is applied to you. If you can defend yourself you are only open to persuasion and debate. if force occurs then you have the ability to exert your own force. I won't debate the war on oil comment as it would be useless as I am sure you believe you are right as much as I believe you are wrong, therefore mincing words on it would be a waste of your time and mine.
You know I fully agree with your assessment of bad parenting although I would have to say a father who takes interest in his son or daughter and teaches them how to use and respect the power of a handgun or rifle is being a good dad. I agree that basic skills like Math, Reading and Writing are critical in a young persons life as without these skills we end up with a gang banger, potential criminal and a whole host of other things none of which are good.
YOu mention you dont agree with guns and that you believe in a moral upbringing. I agree with a moral upbringing too, but I ask you do you believe there are many out there whose moral compass is off track or non-existent? I do. If you too believe then is it possible that Guns are necessary not to do violence per say but to deter violence. Case in point if you encounter a rapist or a mugger and are skilled in handling a gun would you say you have a better chance of deterring to force of their attack. A mugger or rapist has no moral compass.
Ok, well I was just drawing a counterpoint to your comments. I think in theory you and I agree that a world without the need for weapons would be ideal. That is where the realist in me comes in and says in the history of the world there has never been a time where evil took a day off. Why should I put myself at the mercy of someone who would do me harm when I dont need to. the gun is not there for me to do force it is there as a deterrent to those who would like to put their force upon me.
You mention God and i remind you that in Revelations it is very clear what this world will come to. it will get much worse before it gets better. Have a great day and committ a random act of Kindness to someone to counteract the wrongs we see daily
Take care

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Re: Gun or No Gun
4/25/2008 7:00 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

It's not the gun killing people...it's the people killing people.
Everyone could have a gun if they are able to carry it with respect (both for the machine and for others life).
But: both does not happen enough.
There are more than 1 example of people having these things "lying around" in their home and soon everybody will be crying over a dead 8 year old, shot by a 10 year old who just wanted to show what a cool guy Daddy is.
The sale of arms (not only guns) should be strictly controlled. Otherwise: Hello Columbine Highschool!

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4/28/2008 12:07 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

You nailed it on the head. Strictly controlled. REspect. I couldnt agree more. Owning a firearm should be a priveledge extended to those who have shown the ability to handle one with care and respect it deserves. Not everyone has the right mental stability or level of responsibility to won or use a gun. So Law change??? In the US of course everyone has the right to bare arms...should it be changed? I dont think we need law change perhaps just stronger stipulations on gun ownership. The other way if we disarm everyone then only criminals and enforcement have guns. I am not sure I like that either. Its a difficult situation and balance. Thanks Nils

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Re: Gun or No Gun
4/30/2008 5:55 PM
indipendant-, 26
New York
United States

I say NO GUN.. if i realy needed to i'd kill you with my bare hands damn it.. why bring a gun into the deal..

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5/1/2008 1:25 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Hi Indipendant. Welcome to The New Dawn. At least a victim stands a chance against bare hands......

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5/1/2008 12:56 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Again the point of a gun is not to be afraid it is to level the playing field if someone has a desire to impose their force on you. Regular interactions never involve gun play do they? Having a gun does not mean you are afraid per say.

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5/6/2008 1:16 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I'm just not convinced KS about the need to bare arms. It seems to me if a nation arms all it's citizens and show them how to defend themselves, it is arming the bad along with the good?

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5/6/2008 1:26 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

And of course you have the other side of the table in which if you disarm your citizens then only the criminals have weapons. Its a difficult proposition thats why I found it interesting. I am a Libertarian at heart and believe our Forefathers wrote a document that is damn near perfect in and of itself. The right to bare and keep arms is there and therefore I support it. I would say that I am fully for bringing the fullness of law against those who utilize guns for evil and yes those who mishandle guns out of ignorance. I am for strong gun legislation regulating the ownership of guns in the sense of licensing and training and of the responsiblity of gun ownership.

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5/7/2008 11:42 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Your forefathers said "the right to bare arms" - that doesn't mean that they thought it was necessary but we might keep in mind how long ago the document was written and that life in the United States was far different from what it is now. You have changed horses for motorized vehicles for instance.


As for Gun legislation they tried a form of it here. We had a gun registry for awhile. It only works for honest people - the same as locks on our home. Those who are intent on evil will not co-operate and will still find ways to do their dirty deeds.

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5/7/2008 3:27 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Like I said it makes for a good debate for and against :>)

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5/9/2008 1:57 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Yes, it does KS

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5/1/2008 12:52 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

I rest my case....If you are bigger and more powerful then you can by FORCE kill me or force me to do things I wouldnt normally do...however if you approach me with your BARE HANDS and i pull out MR. COLT 45..well i think we know what happens next.....I hear what everyones saying I really do. Guns are inheriently dangerous. But in a world that has its fair share of ill inclined citizens is it smart to eliminate this form of personal protection. i really think not.

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5/9/2008 1:59 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I promise not to try and kill you KS, by my bare hands or otherwise, if you promise not to pull out MR COLT! Deal??? Grin :))

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5/12/2008 1:58 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

OK I wont PULL OUT.......ummm a gun...lmao....sorry always been a lover not a fighter

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5/12/2008 2:07 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

LOL, you won't PULL OUT huh????

I have no idea who or what you are replying to but HELLO! It's been awhile. I'm just leaving for work. I wanted to say hi before I left. Enjoy your day KS. It was nice to see you here. Hugs

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5/12/2008 2:18 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Just being stupid...check the one on being sexy in Whats your Pleasure

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5/12/2008 4:36 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I just came from there, KS. I'm blown away. I love it!

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5/13/2008 12:08 PM
lew, 64
Grand Haven, Michigan
United States

I have lived in cities of the US and worked as a social psychologist in the areas most often identified as crime ridden. I never carried a weapon(except for my date book/planner). I was never mugged,robbed or threatened.(I had
many offers to share a wine from a wine bottle in a bag or special deals for watches and leather goods). Much of the fear of violence is from the media concentrating on stranger initiated violence, while the vast majority of violence is committed by persons known to the victims.I feel most at risk when I travel in the suburbs or wealthier areas.My appearance as a stranger with long hair makes me a target for the "paranoid" residents.

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5/13/2008 12:35 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

I agree with you regarding the Media....their philosophy is simple "If It Bleeds, It Leads!" All good points Lew thanks for weighing in.

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