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    Updated by Dawn at 05/17/2008 18:48
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    5/5/2008 12:07 PM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    BLOODLINE> a movie (documentary?) by Michael Burgess - A controversial movie dealing with the claims made in the movie "The Divinci Code".

    Michael Burgess followed the supposed trail of Mary Megdalene into France and was fortunate enough to find a tomb of a person of Middle Eastern descent. He seems quite certain, on very thin evidence that this could be the remains of Mary Magdalene. He also found some vessels nearby which he claims to have been the vessels used in the marriage ceremony of Mary Magdalene to Jesus.


    Watch the news clip here http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=7670782&ch=222562


    If, somehow, these claims could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt - that Jesus had married, that he had fathered a daughter and that the resurrection was a hoax orchestrated by Mary Madalene - how do you think this would affect the largest faith in the world?


    (I would like to point out here that Christianity is still the largest faith in the world, even though the 1.3 billion Muslims of the world surpassed the number of Roman Catholics (1.13 billion). The total number of Christians is 2 Billion.)

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    5/6/2008 6:06 AM
    Nada, 24
    Saudi Arabia

    what is it with Athiests making movies and targetting religions?
    If they choose to be athiests that is their choice but it is not really their right to spread hatred and lies becuase they are infringing on our right (the believers of God).
    Those people want fame not truth or else why would they say such things about Mary!! I had to read the article twice.I can't believe they think Mary the sacred "married" the christ. That's absurd! This is nonsense and he has nothing to prove it . All he has is a theory because he found some "vessels"! A theory is not and won't in this case be a fact.
    Mary didn't have to prove anything to her people..It was Jesus christ who spoke to his people while he was a new-born baby to clarify the innocence of his mother from anything the people might say about her.
    As for the disbelievers they won't believe until the time when Jesus christ (Pbuh) will come to earth and be the sound of justice and peace.

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    5/6/2008 11:01 AM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    Hi Nada.


    It is a natural part of the world we live in, that someone is always trying to debunk something or other. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. It gives the faithful something to think about and reminds them of why they are faithful.


    There were two Marys, Nada. One was Mary, mother of Jesus, the other one is the one we are talking about here, Mary Megdalene a follower of Jesus. Some say Mary Megdalene was a prostitute, but I read online yesterday that there is nothing, in the Bible at least, to support that claim.


    I consider myself a Christian because I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Some would say that I am not a Christian, or at least a good one, because Christianity is based on the premise that Christ, the son of God, rose from the dead to "sit on the right hand side of God" and I don't take that literally. These are the things I believe are important.


    - There is but one true God.


    - God is love.


    - Jesus was the son of God (I believe we are all children of God)


    - The message of the teachings of Jesus Christ was to "love one another"


    Those things, in my mind, are a given. I can't be swayed from believing them. Those beliefs are a large part of who I am. As for the rest, if someone were to be able to prove to me without a doubt that Jesus did marry, that he fathered a daughter, that he lived a long life, that would change none of my beliefs. I would still worship God and I would still love Jesus and I would still try to live my life in accordance with his message of love. If that makes me a "bad" Christian, so be it. God will be my judge.

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    5/6/2008 11:56 AM
    Nada, 24
    Saudi Arabia

    oh I see... hehehe I just read the name , you are right..I was sleep deprived last night ...sorry for my misunderstanding.
    "It gives the faithful something to think about and reminds them of why they are faithful" I agree with you .
    "There is but one true God." Yes, God created you , me and the whole universe , I believe in that too.
    Now...I can make sense of what I read about Mary Megdalene...Some Arab christians say she is like a student of christ ( a follower just like you said) but there is no account of Jesus christ being married .However, not everything in history is written.I also don't think Jesus christ getting married or not should be an issue. I thought it a big issue last night cuz I could't read the name right (LOL I'm laughing at myself...funny it is even written in the same way we say it in Arabic !)
    As a Muslim , I also love Jesus :)

    You are not a "bad" christian .You are a faithful loving christian .
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    5/7/2008 12:46 PM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    Hi Nada. Isn't it strange what a little sleep can do for us? When I'm lacking sleep, I honestly misunderstand just about everything. When I go back and read some of my comments I wonder what I was thinking when I wrote them! :))


    I asked my daughter's boyfriend, Derrick, about this last night. He is taking Religious Studies at University. He said what most Christians find objectionable about the idea of Christ being married, is the possiblity of him having fathered a child and that somewhere on earth there are people with His bloodline. Apparently, that doesn't fit in well with Christian beliefs.


    On a different note, Derrick started a new Spring course at university last night. It was suppose to be "Religion and Science". When he got to class the prof told them it is "Relgion and the Internet". I can't wait to find out what effects the prof sees the internet has on religion! (Do you think the change in the course means that the internet is replacing science???) :))
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    5/7/2008 1:30 PM
    Nada, 24
    Saudi Arabia

    Hi Dawn :)
    The Internet is not replacing science. I think the Professor just wanted to broaden the discussion of science by talking about the Internet . The Internet can teach us about different fields of science we know little about . The internet also has a great effect on religion. For example, I got to know that there are many sects in Islam ( other than Sunnis and shiites) which was very strange to me. On the internet I also got to read some verses of the Bible ( Matthew) . I also got to know some Jews and christians. It is actually because of the internet that I have more understanding of other religions.
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    5/8/2008 12:50 PM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    I have had similiar experiences Nada - meeting people of different religions online and learning, not only about other people's religion but learning more about my own as well. The internet is not always the bad place it is sometimes made out to be. Sometimes it can be educational and it can broaden our horizons without us ever having to leave the comfort of our homes.

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    5/6/2008 7:40 PM
    Alex, 17
    Toronto, Ontario
    Canada

    athiests think that religions are not benifitiary to humanity, they believe that religion causes hatred, genocide, bombings, biggotry, anger, and fanaticism. i'm afraid to say that there are alot of cases where they're right, but in so many ways they are wrong, and forget to see the positive benifits.

    that's where i come in. =D and that's where everyone else should come in to. but the athiests serve their purpace aswell, and all in all they're doing exactly what we all are trying to do. trying to make this world a better place, only in their own way.
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    5/7/2008 12:54 PM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    Hi Alex. What an interesting point of view you have. Isn't it strange that a faith based on love, causes all of those things you mentioned? I think the religious people who do those things have entirely missed the point of their religion.


    I really don't know much about Athiests, but I'm sure there are good and bad athiests just as there are good and bad religious people. I don't think that people's beliefs are all that important if peace and world harmony is the result.

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    5/8/2008 4:12 PM
    Alex, 17
    Toronto, Ontario
    Canada

    i don't believe in good or bad, people just act in what they think would benifit their situation. extremeists surely believe that what they're doing is right, they're not bad people, just misguided people.
    i've never really met a "bad" athiest. nor have i really met a "bad" religious person. just alot of twits who love to get angry over trivilies i'd rather not get involved in.
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    5/9/2008 1:53 AM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    I like your idea Alex, that "there are no bad people only misguided people". That means there is hope for world peace yet. Also, your sentiment about getting angry is bang on! People so often get angry over things that really aren't important.

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    5/9/2008 5:09 PM
    Alex, 17
    Toronto, Ontario
    Canada

    i'm a hedonist, i'm rarely angry. and yes, world peace is philosophically possible, all we need to do is preach common sence. it is possible for somone to live their lives without worry and with only happiness, everyone should strive to that but first we all need to understand how things work. my philosiphy is simple, do everything in my power to be nice and helpful without damaging myself or others, allow people to understand that your a person of peace, a person of love, a person whose purpace in this life is to only feel pleasure and other heart warming emotions, then preach to them that if we all lived the same way and just strived to make ourselves and others feel good there really isn't a point for anger, hatred, and discontent.

    the information goes to one person, who understands and follows it and then they preach to the next, and so on and so on. pass it forward. =D
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    5/17/2008 6:48 PM
    peter, 39
    galway
    Ireland

    where does your theory come from thats so right,,,is he worse for looking ,,or are we worse for not,,,
    its an instinct that we feel our faith is being threatened,,
    its a pinch we all feel,,
    i know there has to be a god,,but where i don't know,,
    just look on the tube and you will cry with all the hate there is on film from all religions let alone the athiest,,,,
    the man thinks he is doing good ,he believes he "may" be right,,, should we not encourage him to keep looking as one day he might prove us and our religion is right?,,,,,hands up its me again ;-))
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    5/10/2008 12:03 PM
    lew, 64
    Grand Haven, Michigan
    United States

    May I compliment you, Alex, on your perceptiveness. Unusual in one so young. The measure of the truly moral person is in the
    adherence to the logic of ethical and moral practice without theological dogma.
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    5/10/2008 1:42 PM
    Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
    New Brunswick
    Canada

    Thank you Lew, you expressed much better what I was thinking. I'm very impressed with the way Alex thinks. I can learn so much from him.
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    5/17/2008 6:27 PM
    peter, 39
    galway
    Ireland

    it dosent matter what he says,,fact is someone else will have a different idea later on,,it will never stop,,doesent matter
    because their is no more proof of what he says or any other religion ,,,no proof,,,
    give me a reason why god lets people be killed?
    no: give me a better reason?
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    Now seeeee past your self,,,,,,
    none of us can say who is right and who is wrong,,
    we can only respect each others beliefs,,,once again,,he only sees what he believes ,and we jump to scourge him,,
    will we change,,,,,,,,,,,,???
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    the little boy said to the old wise man,,i cant find any truth in the bible/quran/etc whatever,,i cant see any proof their thinking to annoy the old man,,but the wise old man said yes you are so right,,but will you look for the reason why?,,this takes a lot longer sometimes forever,,,,
    but in all cases a lifetime,,,,,,,
    we shall never know why we only have books and teary to go on,,why their is no image of him,,why he cant pick up sign and hit us with it,,why he lets people die,,be killed ,,be broken,,and stands ideally by,,why he shows no care,,
    both books allow death of another,,,,
    i am holier than any of those books ,as i will kill no man,,
    hemmmm what if i am pressed hard enough,,yes i think i prob would,,
    one thing i do know,,their is no hate in a child till we get our hands on them,,,
    dont share your sweets with that boy,,
    dont talk to that boy,,
    dont sit with him,,
    dont listen to him,,
    dont let him know,,
    dont have him their,,
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    let the man keep looking ,,he does no more harm than you with your ideals,,,only it is new,,,
    we`ve always hated new,,,especially when it involves religion,,
    what are we so afraid of,,,?
    being wrong?
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