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Perhaps some things to believe in Whats your belief..?
5/12/2008 6:21 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

I believe ..... That just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other.And just because they don't argue,it doesn't mean they do love each other.
I believe... That we don't have to change friends if we understand that friends change.
I believe .... That no matter how good a friend is,
they're going to hurt you every once in a while
and you must forgive them for that.
I Believe.... That true friendship continues to grow,
even over the longest distance.Same goes for true love.
I believe .... That you can do something in an instant
that will give you heartache for life.
I believe ..... That it's taking me a long time to
become the person I want to be.
I believe..... That you should always leave loved ones with loving words.It may be the last time you see them.
I believe ... That you can keep going long
after you think you can't.
I believe ..... That we are responsible for what we do,
no matter how we feel.
I believe .... That either you control your attitude
or it controls you.
I believe ..... That heroes are the people who do
what has to be done when it needs to be done,
regardless of the consequences.
I believe.... That money is a lousy way of keeping score.
I believe..... That my best friend and I can do anything or nothing and have the best time.
I believe..... That sometimes the people you expect
to kick you when you're down,will be the ones to help you get back up.
I Believe....... That sometimes when I'm angry I
have the right to be angry, but that doesn't
give me the right to be cruel.
I believe..... That maturity has more to do with what
types of experiences you've had and what you've
learned from them and less to do with how
many birthdays you've celebrated.
I believe..... That it isn't always enough to be forgiven by others. Sometimes you have to learn to forgive yourself.
I Believe...... That no matter how bad your heart is broken the world doesn't stop for your grief.
I believe...... That our background and circumstances
may have influenced who we are, but we are responsible for who we become.
I Believe ....... That you shouldn't be so eager to find out a secret. It could change your life Forever.
I believe ...... Two people can look at the exact same thing and see something totally different.
I Believe....... That your life can be changed in a matter of hours by people who don't even know you.
I believe...... That even when you think you have
no more to give, when a friend cries out to you -
you will find the strength to help.
I believe...... That credentials on the wall do not make
you a decent human being.
I believe ..... That the people you care about most in
life are taken from you too soon.
I believe the happiest people don't necessarily have the best of everything; they just make the best of everything they have.

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5/13/2008 3:29 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

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5/13/2008 12:33 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

I hate this company firewall...it wont let pics through sometimes...so i can't see what you put there Nils, sorry....if I get a chance I will look when i get home. have a great day.

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5/15/2008 9:43 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

Just go to youtube and search for Baz Lurman "Everybody's free (to wear sunscrean)"!

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5/15/2008 1:56 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

OK bro thanks

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5/19/2008 10:59 AM
Clinic, 33
Eating Yummy Food with Lisa in UK
Hong Kong

I believe.... KS is my ture fd!

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5/19/2008 12:06 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

I believe Clinic is a wonderful woman and also a very good person to have as my friend. Have a good evening clinic.

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5/21/2008 3:59 PM
Fleur Ionne, 31
Kentucky
United States

Ahhhhh....Words from a wise man. I always love your topics there, Kevin. All I can say is...Exactly!

Have a nice day.

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5/30/2008 12:13 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

KS, I haven't spoken to you since forever! I'm just leaving a messsage to say hello, so that you don't think I dropped off the face of the earth! I hope to have some quality Zorpia time to catch up on everything I've been missing.


Enjoy your day.


Hugs

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5/19/2008 9:09 PM
michael, 57Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
United Kingdom

I belive That these people should recive that highist sentance that can be given, it makes you think how long has he used the cover of the church to carry out his peverted way.
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CRIMENETDAILY
Texas megachurch minister caught in Internet sex sting
52-year-old man busted after driving 200 miles in wife's car to have sex with 13-year-old girl
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Posted: May 17, 2008
9:10 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Prestonwood Baptist Church
A minister at one of Texas' largest megachurches was arrested this week after driving his wife's car 200 miles for a planned liaison with a 13-year-old girl he met on the Internet.
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Greeting Rev. Joe Barron, minister to married adults at the 26,000-member Prestonwood Baptist Church, near Dallas, when he arrived Thursday, with a package of condoms on the car seat, were members of the Bryan, Texas, police force.
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Bryan police said Barron had been chatting online for about two weeks with an officer who he thought was a 13-year-old girl, participating in sexually explicit conversations.
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On Tuesday, Barron asked the girl to skip school and meet him, police told the Dallas Morning News.
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"Of course, our officers replied that they would," Officer Lesley Malinak, spokeswoman for the Bryan Police Department, said. "He had been on a business trip and was coming to see her after he was done with this business trip."
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On Thursday, he drove three hours to meet the girl at a parking lot and chatted with "her" by telephone along the way. He was arrested without incident.
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Police found a box of 10 condoms inside the car, a Web camera and a headset police believe he was planning to give the girl.
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"It is common for people that are engaged in this type of activity" to give gifts to the minors that "they are grooming," said Malinak.
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Police are investigating evidence Barron may have had similar online conversations with more than a dozen minor girls. A desktop computer, two laptops, numerous computer disks and memory cards have been seized.
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"Going through the computer equipment will be very telling," Malinak said.
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Police also were given access to Barron's church computer but it was not seized because church officials said software installed on it prevented users from entering a chatroom. They said they would be checking its contents to be certain "there's no inappropriate material" on it.
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Police discovered Barron was a minister during questioning.
"He said he was feeling guilt and shame and grief," said Malinik.
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Barron is the 12th man arrested since November 2006 in Byran's sting operation. "This is the first person that is this prominent that we've arrested," Malinik said.
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Barron is one of about 40 ministers at the megachurch. He has served as senior pastor and minister of education in other Texas Baptist churches.
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"We are disturbed and saddened by the reports we have heard and we are praying for the Barron family," said Mike Buster, executive pastor at Prestonwood. "We are fully cooperating with the police in their investigation."
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Associated Press reported the Rev. Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church, announced during services today that the church has accepted Barron's resignation, effective immediately

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5/20/2008 11:59 AM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

So you would support the death penalty if it were available for this crime? I know I would. Anyone who would harm a child or prey on the innocent should receive the maximum. In this case I dont believe it is the Death Penalty. More like 18 months in Jail at maximum. Google it. This world has a F'd up sense of what is valuable. In the above story it doesnt matter that the guy was a priest. Priests are just men. What matters is that he preys on children. What matters is our judicial system is a joke on cases like this.

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5/20/2008 7:40 PM
michael, 57Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
United Kingdom

Yes I would tomany people seem to have come out of the woodwork if the sentance fitted the crime takeing into account of the suffering of those affected it would give some form of protection the trouble now days is that in the nanny world we live in anything has become acceptable maybe it is the law that needs looking at .

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5/20/2008 8:37 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

YOu will get no argument from me Michael. I have said for a long time that our judicial system is a joke. Letting murderers live on deathrow for 25 years, allowing rapists out for good behavior only to have them immediately rape and sometimes even do worse after they are released, We punish recreational drug users harder than Pedaphiles. A guy gets busted with some cocaine gets minimum 5 years in Florida yet a pedaphile who fondles a child gets 18 months...its sick.

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5/21/2008 3:54 PM
Fleur Ionne, 31
Kentucky
United States

I used to watch a show in NBC called "To Catch a Predator". I cannot believe how sick some people are. Shorter sentences is not going to stop their perverted thoughts. They should be locked up for the rest of their lives. Ewww!! Seeing those men targeting young children online is giving me chills up my spine.

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5/27/2008 6:28 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

As I stated elswhere already ...many times over...I think they should be punished hard, but the death penalty for me is out of the question. I don't want to talk about the why's and what's...it just is.
BUT...even in my homecountry of Germany every once in a while there are priests or monks arrested, having their way with children.
I know it maybe stereotyping, but doesn't that give you a very good look into religion? (And by the way: not only christians are bigots like that!).
Preaching water, drinking wine?
Preaching against homosexuals, going after young boys?
Preaching against all kinds of things being related to sex, and f*cking little children?
But what I think is most striking: usually these people get covered by their "leader", by bishops, by the convent, even when police gets them.
Makes me sick!

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5/27/2008 11:18 AM
michael, 57Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
United Kingdom

I agree with your comments there is also a report out today that UN aid workers have beeen doing it as well where will it stop .

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5/27/2008 12:07 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Nils, I can appreciate your position on the death penalty. Everyone has to have a position. Your comments regarding religion however I will address. If you take just raw numbers and then child molestation, Child abuse, Child sex crimes and any other level of abuse involving children you will see a extrememly low percentage of these cases involves the clergy....the lovely news media however loves to sensationalize the fact that a priest or member of a church has committed pedaphilia or some form of abuse against a child. That being said I will further state Religion by itself sucks and I am not for it. It is man made and not biblical. Christianity is however a noble calling. You mention stereotyping and I would have to say yes you are, as being a Christian does not mean you are without issue or any better here on earth than another. Anyone who would have you believe he is better than you due to his faith is an idiot as it is simply not true. Christ said it best when he said the sick need a doctor. True Christians recognize their fallen status and attempt to do something about it that is all. They are far from perfect.

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5/27/2008 12:10 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

One other thing also on the water and wine comment. No where in the bible does it say not to drink. No where. So if you have someone saying that to drink is a sin tell him or her to step off.

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5/28/2008 3:47 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

"Preaching water , drinking wine" is not meant verbally.
It's more about preaching a certain behaviour and doing the opposite themselves.

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5/29/2008 4:59 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Gotcha, well just proves the ongoing truth...everyone has a level of depravity in their system. I am what I hate.
Have a great weekend Nils.

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6/2/2008 3:05 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Nils, "not only Christians are bigots like that"? You make it sound like all Christians molest children. Yes, some priests and some monks and other "religious" people commit horrible crimes but those crimes are no more because of religion then because of hair colour. Such crimes are more a human trait then a Christian one in my humble opinion. In fact, I would go one step further and say that someone who molest children )or defends a child molester) is in fact not a Christian, no matter what he/she says or thinks. I'm sure if there was some way to gather correct data, the percentage of Christians who commit such crimes, is no higher than that of any other group - Bakers, politians, doctors or Germans to name a few.

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6/2/2008 3:10 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

Sorry- I should have said :"not only these christians"...

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6/2/2008 3:13 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

lol, I'm sorry too, Nils. I'm tired. I'm not expressing my thoughts well. I think it's time for bed. Goodnight

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6/2/2008 3:17 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

To me it was important to state, that it makes me most sick, that the people who are judging and "ruling" others, act exactly like they tell other not to do! That goes for politicians also...you are right: it goes for everybody. Almost!
Have a good night!

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6/2/2008 3:22 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

...and the "not only"- remark just was added, because i "fear" that some of our muslim friends will show up, trying to tell us, that things like these could never happen in their religion, as they are all devoted followers of Allahs word!

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6/2/2008 12:34 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

True true..good thought. Truth is depravity is just that...it doesnt know Religion, Race, or ethnic background. It just manifests itself in humans. Doesnt matter if your a preacher or a taxman. Its going to emerge and show its ugly nature.

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6/2/2008 12:52 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

So true, KS. These "people" (for lack of a better term) chose jobs (priests, etc) that afforded them access to kids and rights over everyone. Their actions are compounded because they were in a position of trust. That is why we hear more about them as a category than say for instance the taxmen.

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6/2/2008 1:01 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

Yeah that and also I believe there is distaste for religion among the press, so you also have that driving the negative stories. You also have many that think if you say your Christian or have faith that you are somehow saying you are better than everyone else and that simply is not (or at least should not) be the case. I for one dont much care for Religion in itself. To much man-made doctrine and legalism. So busy being outwardly one way all the while dirty on the inside. I can see Nil's greivance.

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6/2/2008 1:15 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I understand Nil's greivance too, but I maintain that people who behave in such a manner are NOT Christians.They are only paying lip service. No one with Christ in their heart could behave in such a manner. I'm not saying that all Christians are without sin - is that not why Christ was sent to earth, to save sinners? I'm saying that some actions go beyond being classified as sins.


As for organized religion, I agree with you on that as well but I don't think that religions or churches are bad things. I think there needs to be a movement to go back to the basic teachings of Christ . Many hands and many hearts can move mountians when done in unison, either by prayer or by deeds.

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6/2/2008 1:44 PM
Kevin Scott, 42
Florida
United States

oh my goodness we have a situation where you are actually more hardcore than I..can this be happening...lol....well we can agree to disagree. Christians have been doing horrible things for a long time. Sometimes even in the very name of Christ. I know what your saying but I think by saying it you limit the level of grace God can give. Again I do hear you it is a horrible thing to act that way against a child or anyone defenseless.

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6/3/2008 2:58 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

Doing things "in the name of Christ" doesn't make one a Christian. It often means that one is power hungry and thinks he is above the law - of the nation and of God.


I understand your point about limiting the level of the grace of God. I really didn't mean it like that - a poor choice of words on my part. I apologize. God is all loving and all forgiving. I am not.

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6/2/2008 12:47 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

lol, Thank you for the clarification Nils. :)


After having some sleep I'm going to try to address your comments again.


Being Christian (or of any other religion) has nothing to do with being a pedophile. I believe these people often seeked religious jobs in the past because they were afforded a certain amount of "privacy" because of their status within the church. Who would have dared question their priest for instance years ago? It was unheard of and what parent would believe their child over a priest? What better job could you have had if you wanted protection from "prying eyes"? Your word was law and you had daily access to young people. I hope that is beginning to change now. I too am disgusted when I see the hierarchy protecting this scum. To me, that is bad as the molestation and makes the molested peoples victims all over again.


I'm with you Nils on the death penalty. No matter how low, how vile these people are, what right do you or I have to take a life? It's up to us to protect our citizens by keeping "scum" off the streets, yes, but it's not up to me (or any of us) who gets to live or die.

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6/3/2008 7:20 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

I see that a little more diverted again.
1) Sure there are some, who willingly pick "jobs" like that to be close to children.
But more often, I think it is a position of POWER (not only over children, but women, homosexuals or "sinners" in general.
And the lacking ability to use this power for a good cause, but be corupted by it and take advantage of those under your control!
2) If you think about the pressure that "the church" (and I have to christian here, as I do not know enough about muslims, buddhists etc...)puts on those youn men, when they become priests.
Maybe you are gay and want to become a priest, because you think it is the right thing to do, because you heard "the call" or you just want to help others...the catholic church does not take you into thetir amrs and tells you, that you are ok the way you are. You are a homo! You sinned! They make you life with everlasting feeling of guilt, that surely "produces" some of those "monsters" as well as the (I had to look up the word) celibacy!
Young men are forbidden to have a "normal" relationship with a woman...
Sure: not all christians are monsters. Never said that, never will.
But the catholic church (especially) is doing it's share to produce and later protect these injustices!

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6/3/2008 12:19 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I'm not Roman Catholic Nils, so they are not "my" priests. There are many Christians who are not Roman Catholic and who do allow their priests and ministers to marry. I'm not sure of the present Roman Catholic church's stand on "gay" people but I do know that in the Anglican Church of Canada we allow "gay" priests and "gay" marriages are conducted within the church. We also have women priests.


As for the position of power, it's not because these people are religious. Many police officers, firemen, teacher's, counsellors and aid workers also abuse their position of trust and power.

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6/4/2008 3:16 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

I second every single thing you said.
But that doesn't make my points "wrong"!
I wanted to write the "this also goes for politicians, teachers..."-sentence...I somehow forgot!

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6/4/2008 3:17 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

lol, okay at least we agree!! :))

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6/4/2008 3:20 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

Sure we agree! Actually we agreed from the start. ;-)
By the way: the catholic church still thinks of homosexuality as a sin!

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6/4/2008 3:27 AM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

In my opinion Nils, that is so wrong. :(

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6/4/2008 3:31 AM
Nils, 41
Bangkok
Thailand

Sure it is!
As it is to "forbid" birth control, because they see sex as a vehicle for spawning!
It's a bunch of dirty old men in the top positions there.
I never got the "hype" about the pope, not the late one, not the new one.
They are conservative to the core, have lost every track of reality and will never change, as long it secures their unbelievably great power!

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6/4/2008 12:32 PM
Dawn, 52Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian
New Brunswick
Canada

I have no idea about this present pope. I haven't heard much about him. I did like what I heard about the last one. He did seem to be a decent man even if I didn't always agree with his doctrine.


Personally, I believes the power of the position of Pope is declining. This is a changing world. Roman Catholics are beginning to question this absolute authority which is one of many reasons for the decline of the Roman Catholic Church. Here where I live, we have many Roman Catholic families. It used to be the largest and strongest Christian religion in the area. When I was younger, the churches were full to overflowing every Saturday night. No Roman Catholic would think to miss mass, miss confession or to defy the priest! These three things were a given. Now many RC's go to church on Christmas Eve and at Easter only. I haven't heard anyone mention confession in years. Is that still a common practice? As for the priests having the final say over their lives, Many Roman Catholics have also witnessed the result of absolute power and are now refusing to co-operate. The "Roman Catholic "Church", like many other religions, needs to restructure itself away from the old "totalitarian" method they have always used and open itself up to become "a church of the people who love Christ".


I'm not RC as I have mentioned. When I was younger I went to church every Sunday by myself (my Mom was divorced and not "allowed" to take communion" - Which was the greatest sin? My Mom divorcing a dead beat abusive husband or the church denying her "respectbility"?) and I read my Bible from cover to cover many times. I stopped going to church a few years ago. I still love the Lord. I still love Jesus. I still love the traditions of my religion. I do not love the bickering or the gossip that took place there. I did not appreciate a man (the priest) standing in the front of the church telling us that Muslims were not to be trusted. What type of representative of the Lord says such things? I've only been to church on Christmas Eve and at Easter since. I want to be talked to about love and peace and how together these two can change the world. I want to leave church and go out to start my week with love in my heart. My church was not providing that for me. When I left church, I always felt one of two emotions - extremely sad or guilty for my "sins". I can manage those emotions quite nicely on my own.

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6/4/2008 1:07 PM
michael, 57